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H&S formations
12 years 9 months ago #6003
by Shotry
Replied by Shotry on topic H&S formations
Thanks for that RC, I've made a note of it and will try to incorporate it into what I'm doing. Appreciate that you took the time to share it.
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12 years 9 months ago - 12 years 9 months ago #6001
by redchilly
Replied by redchilly on topic H&S formations
Shotry,
Numerous I H&S patterns (& H&S patterns) appear every day and they are fairly easy to spot. Most of the miners have been in a prolonged downtrend and we will soon see I H&S patterns appear on many of the mining stocks. Problem is not normally whether the pattern exists but whether it is strong & reliable for a profitable trade. For that you need to be familiar with recognizing TRENDS and in particular STRENGTH of a TREND to successfully trade these patterns. They can appear at the bottom of the downtrend, middle of an uptrend or at the (potential)top of an uptrend.
If you are a beginner then you should stick to those which appear at the bottom of a downtrend.
A few points that might help you in future to make better entries at I H&S patterns (opposite for H&S ) & hopefully profitable trades!
1.Look for I H&S which are forming below 200DMA (for daily and weekly time frame).
2.Duration of the downtrend before which it enters the I H&S pattern. On the Lloyds chart which Jackozy has posted today you could see that the down move started in September 2010 and lead to the beginning of I H&S in August 2011 (roughly 12 months). The pattern itself took 12 months to develop. Break of neck line occurred in September 2012 (12 months). It was a classic and a reliable pattern. Look for an inbound trend that is longer than the duration of the pattern (John Lansing’s Trending 123). A shallow inbound trend may indicate a period of consolidation & hence can create a lot of whipsaws and choppy moves (means more chances of getting stopped out & hence less reliable) before the price move indicated by the pattern eventually begins.
3.Volume – highest on the left shoulder + lowest on the right with a burst in volume on break of the neck line.
4.Slope of the neck line – an upward slopping neckline is more bullish than a downward sloping one.
5.Try to trade this patterns in more liquid markets like FTSE100/forex rather than AIM stocks.
Numerous I H&S patterns (& H&S patterns) appear every day and they are fairly easy to spot. Most of the miners have been in a prolonged downtrend and we will soon see I H&S patterns appear on many of the mining stocks. Problem is not normally whether the pattern exists but whether it is strong & reliable for a profitable trade. For that you need to be familiar with recognizing TRENDS and in particular STRENGTH of a TREND to successfully trade these patterns. They can appear at the bottom of the downtrend, middle of an uptrend or at the (potential)top of an uptrend.
If you are a beginner then you should stick to those which appear at the bottom of a downtrend.
A few points that might help you in future to make better entries at I H&S patterns (opposite for H&S ) & hopefully profitable trades!
1.Look for I H&S which are forming below 200DMA (for daily and weekly time frame).
2.Duration of the downtrend before which it enters the I H&S pattern. On the Lloyds chart which Jackozy has posted today you could see that the down move started in September 2010 and lead to the beginning of I H&S in August 2011 (roughly 12 months). The pattern itself took 12 months to develop. Break of neck line occurred in September 2012 (12 months). It was a classic and a reliable pattern. Look for an inbound trend that is longer than the duration of the pattern (John Lansing’s Trending 123). A shallow inbound trend may indicate a period of consolidation & hence can create a lot of whipsaws and choppy moves (means more chances of getting stopped out & hence less reliable) before the price move indicated by the pattern eventually begins.
3.Volume – highest on the left shoulder + lowest on the right with a burst in volume on break of the neck line.
4.Slope of the neck line – an upward slopping neckline is more bullish than a downward sloping one.
5.Try to trade this patterns in more liquid markets like FTSE100/forex rather than AIM stocks.
Last edit: 12 years 9 months ago by redchilly. Reason: typo
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12 years 9 months ago #6000
by Shotry
Replied by Shotry on topic H&S formations
I'm assuming you mean Amur?
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12 years 9 months ago #5999
by remo
Replied by remo on topic H&S formations
hi shotry
thanks for highlighting that chart
Ive gone long on it due to that chart.lol
thanks for highlighting that chart
Ive gone long on it due to that chart.lol
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12 years 9 months ago #5998
by Shotry
Replied by Shotry on topic H&S formations
I watch out for them and understand that they're one of the more reliable chart patterns (I have Bulkowski's pattern encyclopedia here). I sometimes trade them, sometimes they're profitable. I don't just follow the target regardless. I keep watching what the price and my indicators are doing and either stay in or leave the trade according to that.
I feel as as though I'm waffling and running all over the tune without ever striking a note? Is there something more specific you want RC?
I feel as as though I'm waffling and running all over the tune without ever striking a note? Is there something more specific you want RC?
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12 years 9 months ago #5997
by redchilly
Replied by redchilly on topic H&S formations
Shotry,
What sort of experience do you have in trading H&S patterns?
What sort of experience do you have in trading H&S patterns?
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