madmaxx wrote:
Putting my Dow History Hat on, I'd say 1937-1939 - maybe?

There are some similarities, it looks like one from 1930?,

dow-daily
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...qQIMA9BzK6ELu2+Duig=




anyone else think the current chart in the link (above) looks like the chart i have attached??
or maybe i'm using my imagination too much these days!

lets see what you guys think please??


nice charts guys....will take a closer look at the weekend

atb
trendfriend

Indeed MadMaxx,

Did the Fed intervene (via Blackrock - never directly) yet again and again? was this a buy-the-dip? was this Robin Hood? - I mean who buys into the end of the week to lift the market some 500-600 points - after an 1,800 point sell off the day before?

I don't know.

It's a down week but not sure about the engulfing candle on the weekly - it's a rare occurence - I though we're about to witness it again!

https://ibb.co/n8Lp39y

It looks like move completed to the down side, now abc up and down again, but to be honest this looks kind of bullish atm and i would not be surprised if it goes higher from here, but we have to wait for finish first, crazy market, one must be very quick as swings widely

Trendfriend wrote:
hey TF. looking good for a pull back, but pulling away from 25,000 it seems - one last stand by the short term bulls perhaps?

Have a look at this weekly S&P (obviously - there's about 90mins left for the week to finish - the cash week that is).

what do you reckon, I've not seen a bearish engulfing like this since the back end of 2018?

By all means let me have your views - i'll do one for the dow after the close.

https://ibb.co/tZwgHRf

This started from a good number today
Sets us up nicely for the close!

The bulls are going to get smashed!

Let’s see where we finish... if 25000 get broken then we should gets a big move down imvho...

atb
trendfriend

My path for move down if thats the case,and sp500 broken its trenline, trying to re-test it maybe?

I was thinking the same,it also bounced of 50%fib line, but thets where the confusion stars with waves for me, wave 4 can be now completed and up she goes to the new high, other indices and oil have similar pattern, or its wave 4 of down move, only time will tell, agree on key levels to watch,

dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...prAL8z1LktRMIhG5g%3D

well this held the trendline yesterday pretty much perfectly....and seems to be in a much better mood today

that was a huge move down....and while this is still holding the uptrend and the bull move since the crash is still intact...
the setup looks a lot more bearish now then a couple of days ago imvho
the rsi has broken the trendline and that island reversal doesn't play out in a day!

Lets see how it does today....looks like a retest of the 200 day ema line imho...then back down??

24925 (50 day ema line) and 25075 (main trendline) those two are the key here imho...and the rsi if it falls below the 50 neutral level....that would set us up for more big down moves..

atb, wdik, dyor
trendfriend

Ronmould wrote:
Hi Ronmould,
I only use my phone for charts, i'm finding this much clearer to see, ie chart patterns like this, the one thing i need to see on charts, plus support and resistance levels, IG makes brilliant mobile charts.



In regards to waves, i'm very happy i could help you with finding new way of looking at them,but my knowladge about EWT is very limited.

FuelCell is still on the cards, not much missed after yesterday drop, but i'm some how confident it will reach its 560 target, and hopefully make all the way to the top



Regards
madmaxx

...i only ever used my phone to get quick update on prices or movement, always looked at laptop for analysis but you've started to spin that on it's head Maxx - think the compressed nature of looking on a phone screen does make waves much clearer and I've only come to realise that from your charts, i'm with Libero, love them!

...and great call on Fuelcell the other day, they made it onto my watch list after you posted but unfortunately i didn't bite.

Closed 25128, down 6.9%....

On a quick look, only on phone.

Perhaps somebody could post a closer up chart....

I have a trend line break and a break of the SMA20.

dow - daily
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...PK1M+25fnNW6El0tQEU=

make no mistake here...a island reversal is very much a trend change pattern imvho...
this is going to do a island reversal in some style

25,000 level is the key imvho....that's where the dow needs to stay above....watch that level now and the rsi.....
break below both....then

Initially though it would be just a small p/b....but this looks dangerous here...
For me the Fed have put themselves between a rock and a hard place here imho....with the Nasdaq hitting new highs...the dow and s&p rallying nicely do they keep pumping money into this??
The market is sending a very clear signal today...will the Fed have the will to keep putting this trillions in??

lets see...nice charts and posts guys....

atb, wdik, dyor,
trendfriend

For forward thinking market i can see one of scenarios in favour of further bull market, where lockdown could be in place policed by whatever means necessary, and industrial revolution 2.0 take place in the meantime. We must remember 5g technology is coming and it opening ways for so advanced technology that is hard to believe can be seen in our life time. Robotics,Self driving cars, artificial intelligence, internet of things, hydrogen.
People are not ready for such a revolution and therefore must be keep away from transforming the world,i know its a bit harsh, maybe they will let us enjoy it making but many work places will be lost and current virus situation i can see as preparation for bigger things to come. Some people more related to this technologies are saying this could be like jumping onto big cliff in development of civilization. Some of them prefer natural growth but some wants to make it as quick as possible and if market keep rising this fast it not hard to see which way we might be going.

madmaxx wrote:
Love your charts madmaxx - keep them coming!


See on the long term - grand supercycle (and I'm not wave theorist by any means nor do I subscribe to wave theory, but do respect it - I'm simply giving my macro take), your projection could very well happen, simply because the anticpated "hyper-inflation" everyone is associating with the Fed Printing is only likely to occur in assets; why? because those trillions aren't going to be in the hands of Joe or Jane six-pack.

The bulk of the Fed liquidity will be in a closed (and unholy) circle. Zimbabwe, Venusuala, Weimar Republic this is NOT. Inflation will be preserve of the markets, certain asset classes and some commodities.

Fed printing could however, export inflation to the rest of the world with developing nations hit hardest. That could (and will) happen - its already started to happen; and yes, that will also mean the UK - especially in a post-brexit world where the GBP will be more vulnerable.

Ergo, Dow 45,000 is possible over the next 5-7 years.

But, us "traders" are more interested in what happens next, and i'm intrigued to see if the Cash Open at 2:30pm will convince people to buy the dip. I'm strictly selling rallies for fish n chip money.

And if somehow we make new high like Nasdaq did then its most likely going to be wave 3 of 3 of grand supercycle, probably most powerful wave ever

On smaller time frame if it is wave 4 then i'll be looking for its most basic pattern, like on the chart below(also other shapes are possible), we will have a big clue around 24900 area if reached, according to ewt rules wave 4 can not overlap wave 1 therefore very strong support at this level, but its Dow and can do anything so pls dyor, it's just my ideas

If we about to go all the way down then something like this may be seen

Interesting development here, but this could be a simple range-bound pullback (energy), before giving another high a go.

I'd like to see the Dow (obviously the SPX too!) retreat further say, south of 25,840 before I'd say that a correction is in place.

See how we're all coming up with different numbers

The anticipated top (Fib 100%) may be stalled by the fact that everyone was expecting it to happen as a formality.

Now, the market is forward thinking obviously, so they aren't too bothered with what's happening now. However, what's happening now could set the tone for what might happen later:

1. Inequality protests and riots may a) create the envirnoment for a second wave, and b) impact consumer and desire / confidence (not just from covid, but from CS gas or a brick to the head - anything is possible); c) speaking of consumre confidence, how long is the Treasury and Fed going to keep paying "wages" for the soon to be unemployed?

2. Chairman Mao, excuse me, Chairman Powell, said that we'll have zero rates until 2023, that means forever, which could be mean asset bubbles - but market forces will tell you that you can't inflate insolvent and bankrupt companies forever (or who knows right!)

3. Upcoming US Elections vs International Relations - Tried gaming this one, and decided to have a lie down as my head really hurt (or maybe that just a horse or tear gas can or a brick that hit me!)

Irrational exuberance & Moral Hazard - may be terms that we be heard more frequently.... Hell, maybe they need to be redefined when kids with a gambling tendency are buying Bankrupt shares like Hertz using fractional facilities offered by brokers (book-keepers) - when sports come back, that money could find another place

Be safe people - we're all watching this move closely to see if it's genuine or simply profit taking / coiling the spring before the next move up.

I see two scenarios from here, as remo was saying dow can visit high again then we are in wave 4 now and one more push higher can happen before larger correction,




already at 23% fib

if its wave for then similar pattern can occur

Wow... huge gap down down looks on today....
Watch 26383 for a island reversal....

If it does happen then it’s clear technical signal for further downside imvho....

atb
Trendfriend

dow- daily next targets on this chart
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...ru3L1a95SoA9zfTzI%3D

dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...XuvF1jIWnD6oX7PxM%3D

can see from here when the rsi goes 70 or above we get a decent p/b.
not in this atm....but this should be a small p/b to let the overheated rsi cool off a tad....before more pump upwards imvho....

atb, wdik, dyor,
trendfriend

8:15 am: Bank of America clients sold stocks last week
Bank of America Securities clients sold $3.2 billion in U.S. equities last week while the S&P 500 gained nearly 5%. The clients bought ETFs and sold single stocks for the fifth straight week. “Selling was broad-based across client groups, where hedge funds and retail clients have been sellers for the last eight and five consecutive weeks, respectively,” Bank of America equity and quant strategist Jill Carey Hall said in a note. “Financials led the outflows last week with its second-largest selling in our data history since 2008 — consistent with the record low investor positioning.” — Fitzgerald

remo wrote:
Hi Remo,

Thank you for the above (hope you and the family are well).

i've been reading about this, and indeed 76.4 doesn't really hold much weight compared with 61.8; here's the thing - does anything work right now with all the intervention? Technical Analysis still works obviously - like musical notes someone once said - but for me, it works for the short (ultra short term due to much intervention).

I can't say that I walked away unscathed either - it's just part and parcel!

I would however say that there's a lot of "air" underneath this rapid move up. (and forgive me, will need to get a chart - but are there island reversals patterns again? it looks like it).

Anyway, back to the point on "air" underneath - without structure, surely - intervention or not, the market needs to revert to the mean.

Will keep powder dry - but as i type, the Dow (futures) is down 300 points - could be something could be nothing.

Normally 61.8 fibs will contain the move but once that gets taken out and it hits the 76.4 fib level then that normally signals a full corrections to the trend prior ...I’ve seen this happen loads of times in the past so hence why I suspect a full move back up....I must say thou, on paper it should be heading down big time as common sence says it should...lol...There is so much manipulation going on so you just have to follow the charts and right now it’s bullish...
I will still look to short myself if I see a reversal but it won’t be with big shorts again as this market has been deadly to shorts recently..

If a second wave happens with regards to coronavirus then you can see the markets visiting the lows again...
Right now it’s all about the virus and how it plays out...

remo wrote:
Well, i don't mind saying, I'm side stepping this. I know my own limitations, and this market is a bit too complicated (for a lack of a better word!) for me.

And, the more i study it, or try to - the more confused I become.

The fact that the 76.4 % fib has crossed imply the Dow will head to new highs soon...
So be really careful with shorts .
You need lower lows to start going short...
I’m fully invested currently but will keep a close eye on them....

DOW fibs

www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/06/...lassification-error/

Looks like the Unemployment figures were subject to a "missclassification error" the classification of people who disengaged from looking for work, due to safety concerns (upto 6 million of them) were misreported as being not unemployed. Oh my Mr Trump...to stoop so low is criminal

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The special note said that if this “misclassification error” had not occurred, the “overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported,” meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May. But that would still be an improvement from an unemployment rate of about 19.7 percent for April, applying the same standards.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs reports, said it was working to fix the problem.
“BLS and the Census Bureau are investigating why this misclassification error continues to occur and are taking additional steps to address the issue,” said a note at the bottom of the Bureau of Labor Statistics report.
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Dow has made lower low on the short term chart...
It has jumped a tad from that l/low but I think this shall drop in the last hour...

In hindsight I went short to early today... should have waited until now...

Let’s see... how it goes...
Atb
Trendfriend.

Trendfriend wrote:
I think, as Remo shown us, that we need have ultra-wide stops nowadays. I had a position that was underwater by over a grand for a couple of days, before returning me with a couple of hundred quid profit in the overnight sessions - it's not good - it's not good for the health!

i'll never do that again, so i thought, but we feel like we have to chase sometimes, knowing that the weakening of the dollar (boosting stocks) will result in exported inflation here in the UK and elsewhere too.

With regards to your short position - I have 27400 as the line in the sand after 27140 got taken out.

The market is over extended I feel, but hey we need our resident experts to give us their take.

dow - daily
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...YFu6p0KybwR0rnSIK9U=

more than a couple of hundred pips down now
i'm only risking what i made....still holding here...i can stay short until 27350 area....

not ideal...but i think its time for a drop...however small imho...
the rsi is now over 70...whenever that happens we get a p/b....

will the drop happen soon??

atb
trendfriend

Trendfriend wrote:
Make Hay TF!

Dow support at 26960 right now - its a crude line, but there or thereabout.

in terms of resistance, i got 27140

the US markets are behaving like their President!
its all extremes...on the way down and on the way up.....

this is absolutely a bubble....matter of time before it pops....but it could last a while now....6 months? 12 months? who knows?
not me for sure!

anyway...had a long scalp...but short now at 26966.1

wish me luck....was 40 or so points down a min ago...

atb,
trendfriend

DOW FUTURES 27044 +762

Looks like 27000 going to be hit today once the US open, incredible.

At this rate, we will be around 29500 sooner than later.

AdeMcG wrote:

Yep,

just for traders to try and stay solvent until then!

The market is on a tear!

or, the explanation is of workers coming off the welfare system and going back on to the job protection scheme as employers try to re-open, but here is the catch. To ensure the companies get to keep their bail out money, they have to keep folk employed for only 8 weeks.

Could be just kicking the pain down the road and come 8 weeks later, expect the numbers of jobless claims to once again jump upward.

Naeem Aslam, chief market analyst at AvaTrade, says the US unemployment rate “mind-blowing number”:

The US unemployment rate has shocked everyone because the number was much lower than the market expectation. Speculators were whispering for 20%.

This a mind-blowing number and shows that the economy is improving. Things are not as bad as many thought. This data, if it is a true reflection of the economy, is likely to speed up the recovery for the US economy.

AdeMcG wrote:
something is weird.

but hey, what do i know - trade what we see.

in any case, let's see the 27-handle approach sooner.

anyone else think the statisticians have got numbers mixed up on the Jobless count?

Inside Informant wrote:
Indeed, but opening this economy won't be like a switch - too much disruption, to many cogs in the supply chain decimated.

and while the Tories are trying to coerce the "ordinary" kids back to school, I don't see Eton & the top schools being open?!?

And of course, there's the matter of the second wave - which may or may not come (obviously, I hope it doesn't come). The market will of course ignore it, but it will end up taking more people out of the workforce.

I don't know' obviously I'm ranting, but more about the seemingly stacked decks from the powers that be, rather than a desire to make a buck.

I wish you the very best in getting that second chance - maybe at 22,500 as well as 24,000.

I've noticed the bad job numbers have been ignored. Investors only focusing on re-opening of the economy.

Hopefully when it hit 27000 it will go down to 24000 so we can get a second chance

Indeed Inside Informant.

It has beaten the 200 DMA in overnight trading, so 27175 looks there for the taking.

Not sure the jobs number or anything is going to change things.

I'm tempted to scalp again, but why risk losing what I've stressed for!?

Good luck in any case folks!

27000 target still intact. Should happen by next week

I'm not touching this....

It's too dangerous now!

we've seen some strange closes of late - tonight was another 100+ points in a few minutes after a relatively down day.

Some folks are doing something somewhere, and i'm not going to play.

thanks Inside...corrected now

It looks like the chart you posted is for DISH and not the DOWJ

dow - daily.
uk.advfn.com/p.php?pid=chartscreenshotsh...PPVd+0LwHi+5r4XFzbI=

not a perfect touch and move down from the 200 day ema line...but a clear rejection....so far anyway...

lets see how it closes today

atb. wdik, dyor,
trendfriend